george bush, john mccain. maybe the republicans learned a lesson. i covered the 1985-1986 act. they have the most skillful treasure secretary around. when its top about infrastructure spending and things we have done with nih, all the talk now is about debt. how do you do what glenn envisions? >> we are not going to get away from someone of a doomsday scenario for quite some time which would allow us to get to glenn's position. i do think it is importance. the priorities -- people don't have a disagreement about whether the federal government should have a role in immigration or in infrastructure. there are larger conversations out there. we accept these as government rolls. i think what glenn has talked about and how do you get there? the united states congress and the white house is very disjointed because the american public is very disjointed. this is a town that is responsive to what their voters tell them. we would hope when it requires leadership that they rise to the location. if we get to the point of these things that need to be done, more people need to talks about i